【A.I. FOREVER】在Youtube看到的一篇很長的comment,寫得非常詳細,從數據上比較其他偉大球星,檢視Iverson的職業生涯表現,給予他更公正的評價。
(by sportsmed77)
[+Kareem Elwakil Those other posters shouldn't have insulted you to make their points, but I think your arguments are extremely weak. The only thing you bring up is that AI's career FG% was 42% and that he jacked up "30 shots" to get his points. His FG% was technically 42.5% for his career (Tracy McGrady's was 43% and Kobe Bryant's was 45%, which really isn't that much higher relatively speaking by the way) and a lot of AI's missed shots had to do with the team he was playing on and how their offense was structured, his role on the team as the only scorer, etc. but I won't get into that. AI averaged about 21 shots per game for his career, by the way. Hardly the 30 shots per game you tried to give him credit for. AI led the NBA in scoring 4 times, and out of those for times, only twice did he also lead the league in field goal attempts (and not by much - plus he averaged more free throws than everyone else) so the argument that "if anyone shot as much as AI did, they would score as much too" clearly is not the case. In his prime, Tracy McGrady averaged about 23 shots per game, Kobe Bryant also about 23 shots per game, and AI also about 23 shots per game. AI, Kobe, and Jordan all had a season where they shot the ball 27 times per game. Per 36 minutes, AI only averaged 19 shots per game for his career (keep in mind, AI played more minutes than anyone else each game during his era). Michael Jordan averaged 23 shots per game for his entire career. For his career, Jerry West averaged 20 shots per game and in his prime, it was about 22 shots per game. Before Lebron James got there, Dwayne Wade was averaging between 20 and 22 shots per game for a few seasons because he was the go-to option. You know what all of these players have in common with AI? They were all SHOOTING GUARDS and the go-to option! They were supposed to shoot! Some SGs are volume shooters who slash and get to the free throw line. Some of them have lower FG% but still are productive for their teams. Other SGs have a higher efficiency, but a player's FG% really depends on a number of factors you haven't even taken into consideration.
To reiterate this point, for most of AI's career, he was a SHOOTING GUARD. I hate when people compare him to point guards and then act like he was worse than them because he didn't play like a PG. It is ridiculous because it is like comparing apples with oranges. By the way, you brought up Jason Kidd and how he was so much "better" than AI. Did you know Jason Kidd's career FG% is 40%? He had 10 seasons where he shot below 40% for the season. AI only shot below 40% for 1.5 seasons and his career FG% is higher than J-Kidd's. J-Kidd averaged 12 PPG for his career and only 2.8 free throw attempts. AI averages about 27 PPG for his career. So just as you can say J-Kidd was a way better passer than AI, I can say AI was a way better scorer than J-Kidd. They had different roles and they excelled in their roles. Jason's job was to pass, and AI's job was to create shots.
It is a myth that AI was not a good passer. AI averaged 6.2 assists per game for his career. That is good for a SG - more than Kobe, more than MJ, more than Vince Carter, more than Tracy McGrady, more than Wade, etc. AI had about 5 or 6 seasons where he averaged between 7 and 8 assists per game while still scoring 26+ points. It is impressive. He had an entire season where he averaged 33 PPG and 7.4 APG with 2 steals on 45% shooting and a TS% of over 54%, and people like you try to say he was just "okay at best"? AI had a unique style, especially for his size and was probably one of the top 5 most exciting players to watch. To say he was not "that good" shows that you likely saw very few AI games. I would say AI is a top 20-30 player all-time. Anyone who actually saw, for example, his 2001 play-offs and regular season run, would know that he was amazing and did so much for that team and if someone looks at the stat box, they will not get the actual story. You had to have seen the games with your own eyes. With AI, stats have always been misleading. I also want to point out that AI's True Shooting % (TS%) is slightly higher than Isiah "Zeke" Thomas and is pretty decent (at about 52%). He had a couple of seasons in Denver where his TS% was almost 57%. TS% is a much more accurate depiction of someone's accuracy when shooting. You know why? Because it takes into account free throws among other factors. AI is one of the greatest players of all-time at getting to the free throw line, and unlike Lebron James and many others, he didn't flop to do it. He was legitimately fouled, hurt, and referees even admitted to conspiring against him and purposely not calling fouls on players who fouled him when they should have. Yet AI is still 10th all-time in free throws made. He was a slashing, fearless guard with incredible talent and an ability to create shots for himself that very few other players have been able to do. His style of play is more comparable to Kobe Bryant or Tracy McGrady (Kobe had a better career, but in AI's prime there were seasons where they were almost equally good). Yet he is 160 lbs. soaking wet so he is an anomoly because small players aren't supposed to be able to do what he does. The two years AI's shooting percentage was the lowest in Philly, he had just come off of a serious elbow surgery (2001-2002) and had played with a broken hand another season. You put so much emphasis on his accuracy those seasons, but what about his heart? How many players would play with the injuries he had? I guarantee you not many. Even while in Denver, Carmelo said AI was playing with a broken finger the entire season. In the 2001 play-offs by the end of the 2nd round, AI had 7 injuries (serious elbow bursitis, knee bursitis, dislocated shoulder, sprained thumb, hip pointer, bruised tailbown, and twisted ankle). Yet he played, and he played his heart out contributing to his team in other ways even when he couldn't find his shooting rhythm due to the pain he was in. I watched every game he played in back then (even taped them so I could immitate some of his moves since I played ball). I would know.
I am definitely convinced that anyone who claims Iverson was an "extremely poor shooter" either did not watch him play or knows a lot less about basketball than they think they know. AI was not a poor shooter. He took incredibly difficult shots - often times while double and triple teamed, and given that he was smaller than everyone else, it is incredible that he still made some of them. He was a shot creator. He was immensely creative. Larry Brown even used to sit on the sidelines and call out to AI to shoot the ball more and create shots. Even George Karl in Denver once told AI to shoot the ball more, stop being so UNSELFISH, and take over games the way he used to in Philly. Unfortunately the media doesn't like to talk about that. Not one of AI's teammates thought he was selfish. I have seen very few players who are as loved and respected by his former teammates and former peers as AI. The amount of love he gets from everyone from Dr. J, Maurice Cheeks, Moses Malone, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Aaron McKie, Eric Snow, Theo Ratliff, Dikembe Mutombo, Chris Webber, Kyle Korver, Chris Paul, James Harden, Larry Brown, Paul Pierce, John Thompson, Andre Iguodala, Larry Hughes, Bill Walton, Rip Hamilton, Rasheed Wallace, Shawn Marion, Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki, Shaquille O'Neal, etc. etc. etc. I can go on and on. Many of these very players have called AI "pound for pound the greatest." I have seen very few players get so much love and adoration by their peers. I was at AI's jersey retirement and heard what so many players around the league past and present had to say about him and it was just insane. I also have never heard one of AI's former teammates call him a bad teammate. They loved him and loved playing with him. It is the media that tries to paint that picture, but his peers and former teammates paint a completely different picture.
What the media says is a myth. AI's former coaches and teammates and peers adore him. In 2001, AI had the most first place MVP votes in history (tied with Shaq) and became the smallest player to ever win the MVP award. You think he is overrated? I guarantee you the people who vote on MVP, the players, the coaching staff, etc. know far more about AI's contributions to the sport, how good he was, etc. than you do. He deserves what he got. Every accomplishment he achieved, he did it despite immense adversity. He is 7th All-Time in PPG, 4th All-Time in Minutes Played, 7th All-time in Steals, won 1st Team All-NBA multiple times... this man played with so much heart and believed in himself so much that you had to believe in him. This man is up there with MJ, Kobe, Wilt, and players of that caliber for most 40 and 50 point games in his career. I hate when people try to take away from his accomplishments rather than appreciating him for what he accomplished at his size and what he brought to the game. He is the reason I played basketball at all. He gave little people hope. He is a cultural icon. I really wish people would stop with the "AI is overrated" nonsense. If your peers think that highly of you to call you "pound for pound the greatest," then obviously you did something right. ]
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同時也有4部Youtube影片,追蹤數超過15萬的網紅pennyccw,也在其Youtube影片中提到,It was another thumbs down for Allen Iverson and the Philadelphia 76ers. Iverson was slowed by a zone defense before sitting the final 1 1/2 minutes ...
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Sprained my thumb! :O
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It was another thumbs down for Allen Iverson and the Philadelphia 76ers.
Iverson was slowed by a zone defense before sitting the final 1 1/2 minutes with a sprained left thumb as the reeling 76ers absorbed their fifth loss in six games, a 93-87 setback to the Golden State Warriors.
Against a man-to-man defense in the first quarter, Iverson had 13 points. But he scored just 10 thereafter as the Warriors switched to a 1-2-2 zone at times and turned the NBA's leading scorer into a passer.
"Tonight we let a zone frustrate us and to be professionals and let a zone frustrate us is a bad thing," Iverson said. "We are supposed to learn how to handle zones; you learn about those in college."
"I didn't have us prepared for their zone very well," 76ers coach Larry Brown admitted. "We were very tentative against it and they made the plays."
With Iverson limited as a threat, Golden State rallied in the fourth quarter. A layup by Antawn Jamison off a block by Erick Dampier and a steal by Larry Hughes gave the Warriors an 87-83 lead with 1:33 to go.
"They couldn't get an open look from the perimeter," Hughes said. "They were flashing it in the paint and our big guys were handling it. We got a couple of defelctions, a couple of blocks and a couple of missed shots. It led to us getting pretty good looks at the other end."
The Sixers called timeout and Iverson was not on the floor when they returned. Aaron McKie made a jumper and steal, but former Warrior Vonteego Cummings was called for a charge and Dampier sealed it with two free throws with 38 seconds left.
"I need to get an X-ray but it's real banged up right now," said Iverson, who was 9-of-18 and had seven assists but took just four shots in the second half.
Hughes scored 22 points against his former team as Golden State snapped a four-game losing streak and defeated Philadelphia for the first time in seven meetings since January 15, 1997.
"I thought Larry was real solid," Warriors coach Dave Cowens said. "I think he took the challenge. He was guarding one of the best players in the league (Iverson). He matched him stroke for stroke and took care of the basketball and ran our club. He had a remarkable game tonight and I'm very happy for him."
Matt Harpring scored a season-high 25 points and Derrick Coleman added 14 for the Sixers, who dropped to 0-2 on their five-game road trip and 4-6 on the road. En route to the NBA Finals last season, their sixth road loss came on February 4.
"They came out in the fourth quarter and stopped us with their zone," said Harpring, who did not score in the final period. "We weren't hitting our outside shots and we got confused a little bit."
A 3-pointer by Chris Mills gave Golden State the lead for good at 71-70 with 10:49 to play. Hughes' driving layup extended the advantage to 80-75 with 5:53 remaining, but he missed two free throws between baskets by Coleman and Iverson that again made it a one-point game.
However, Iverson did not score again. Dampier and Danny Fortson scored around two free throws by Philadelphia's Dikembe Mutombo and Fortson fouled out Mutombo with 1:48 to play, making 1-of-2 from the line for an 85-83 edge.
Jamison scored 19 points, Dampier added 12 and six blocks and Fortson 11 and 15 rebounds for the Warriors, who overcame 39 percent shooting by making 27-of-36 free throws and holding a 49-33 edge on the glass.
"You have to play a good defensive game if win shooting 40 percent," Cowens said. "Part of that is we went to the line so often and it was just being aggressive, I believe."
"We needed Dampier's energy tonight," Fortson said. "That was a life-saver. We don't know what the score would have been tonight if Damp hadn't had blocked those shots."
Mutombo had 12 points and five blocks for the Sixers, who shot 49 percent (36-of-74) but committed 21 turnovers and made just 12-of-17 free throws. Guard Aaron McKie returned from missing two games with an irregular heartbeat and had seven points and 11 assists.
Philadelphia's team bus was in an accident en route to the game and arrived just 45 minutes before tip-off. Both Iverson and Harpring appeared unaffected as they combined for 21 points in the first quarter.

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Dikembe Mutombo wouldn't let his former teammates get their way.
Mutombo had 13 points, 13 rebounds and nine blocked shots and Allen Iverson scored 47 points as the Philadelphia 76ers beat the Atlanta Hawks 108-103 Friday night.
The Hawks have lost 10 straight, including nine since trading Mutombo to Philadelphia in a five-player deal on Feb. 22.
"I kept running into them and they kept telling me they were going to dunk on me," said Mutombo, who is living at the same hotel that Atlanta stayed at in downtown Philadelphia. "I kept telling them during the course of the game, 'Why are you even trying?"
Jason Terry had 25 points and Nazr Mohammed, who was sent to Atlanta along with Theo Ratliff, Toni Kukoc and Pepe Sanchez for Mutombo, scored a career-high 18. Kukoc and DerMarr Johnson each had 12.
Eric Snow had 12 points and 13 assists, Tyrone Hill had 12 points and nine rebounds and George Lynch had eight points and 12 rebounds for Philadelphia, which improved the NBA's best record to 46-16.
"It felt funny playing against guys you played with all year," Iverson said. "You look left, you look right and there are guys that were always right there in the foxhole with you, who felt bad when you felt bad. It was tough."
Iverson, who scored 40 or more points for the 16th time this season, had 17 in the first quarter and 16 in the third. He made eight straight shots in one stretch and finished 16-of-30.
The Sixers led by as many as 17 late in the third, but Atlanta closed within 93-89 with an 11-0 run in the fourth. Terry had seven of the 11 points, including the last five.
Mutombo ended a scoreless drought of 3:17 with a slam, but the Hawks scored six straight after a jumper by Snow to cut it to 101-99 with 1:11 left.
After Mohammed's layup made it 103-101, Snow put it away with a 15-footer that gave the Sixers a 105-101 lead with a 31 seconds left.
"We fought like crazy to get back into it," Atlanta coach Lon Kruger said. "We are disappointed by not quite finishing. It was a great effort down the stretch, but not quite enough."
Mutombo recorded his fifth straight double-double and sixth in seven games with the Sixers. He had five blocks in the third quarter and got a key rebound late in the game when the Hawks had a chance to tie.
"If (Mutombo) does every night what he did tonight, we'll be very satisfied," Sixers coach Larry Brown said.
Atlanta took its first lead since the opening minutes, 48-46, on a jumper by Mohammed with 3:28 left in the second quarter.
Iverson's jumper and driving layup capped a 9-4 run, giving the Sixers a 55-52 lead at halftime.
After the Hawks cut it to 65-59 midway through the third, Iverson drilled a 3-pointer, assisted on a layup by Snow and hit another 3-pointer to give Philadelphia a 73-64 lead.
"That's a dream, best team in the league, a team that you played for in their house," Mohammed said about his performance. "You couldn't write it up any better."
Notes
The Sixers are 19-14 overall, including 12-4 this season, when Iverson scores 40 points or more.
Philadelphia center Matt Geiger missed his second straight game with swelling in the right knee. Geiger has played just 17 games due to injuries.
Kukoc, a starter since going to Atlanta, was booed throughout the night.
Hawks center Lorenzen Wright left the game with a sprained right thumb in the second quarter and did not return.
Philadelphia is 24-2 when it scores 100 points or more.

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On "Tattoo Night" at the
Pyramid, the man with the most ink in the building left an
indelible mark on the Memphis Grizzlies.
Allen Iverson scored 33 points and led a fourth-quarter surge as
the Philadelphia 76ers averted an embarrassing loss with a
95-88 victory over the winless Grizzlies.
Any fan with a tattoo coming to Wednesday's contest had a chance
to win tickets to a future game. The promotion was tied to
Iverson, the three-time NBA scoring champion whose collection of
body art grows with each new season and covers nearly all of
his slender body.
But tattoos are a symbol of toughness, and Iverson is among the
toughest players in the league. After taking a whack on the
right thumb he badly sprained less than two weeks ago, he scored
17 of Philadelphia's last 26 points.
"I was just trying to take what the defense gave me," Iverson
said. "I didn't want to be overaggressive. I just wanted to
let my teammates do what they had to do early in the game
because they (Grizzlies) were taking away some of the shots I
wanted by zoning up. My teammates held the fort, and then when
I got an opportunity, I just tried to make the best of it."
Iverson made 10-of-24 shots, including 4-of-7 3-pointers. He
added six assists and three steals and confounded the Grizzlies
with his quickness.
The 76ers never trailed over the last three quarters but played
fast and loose with the lead until Iverson took charge in the
fourth quarter, when he scored 11 points.
"Allen got it going and fortunately made some shots against
their zone and we were able to build a lead," Sixers coach Larry
Brown said.
"I thought Iverson had a rifle instead of his hand," Grizzlies
coach Hubie Brown said. "He was spectacular."
Todd MacCulloch had 15 points and 13 rebounds for the Sixers,
who had all five starters score in double figures and moved back
into a first-place tie in the Atlantic Division.
The Grizzlies fell to 0-12, the worst start since the 1997-98
Denver Nuggets lost their first dozen games en route to an 11-71
campaign. The record is 17, set by the 1988 Miami Heat and
matched by the 1999 Los Angeles Clippers.
"You don't underestimate anybody," Iverson said. "When you're
playing a team that's 0-11, you play them the same way you play
a team that's 11-0. That's what keeps you consistent."
Rookie Drew Gooden scored 21 points and Stromile Swift added 12,
a career-high 16 rebounds and a franchise-record eight blocks
for Memphis, which has lost all four games under Hubie Brown.
"We did a lot of good things, but we are not happy," Hubie Brown
said. "We are not happy with the choppiness. We couldn't get
a streak. When players were open, they didn't knock the shots
down."
Iverson was hit on his thumb by Kings guard Jason Williams, who
later left with a sprained foot. Upon his return, Iverson
missed two free throws but followed with consecutive 3-pointers
before Aaron McKie hit a jumper, giving Philadelphia a 75-63
lead entering the final period.
"Coach said, `Well, if you got hit on your thumb, maybe your
shot will start falling down,'" Iverson said. "Fortunately, it
did. I hit those two shots, and we kind of got the momentum
going into the fourth quarter."
"It's always big when you've got somebody making threes and
you're on a run," teammate Eric Snow said.
The Grizzlies pecked away and got within 77-70 on a 3-pointer by
Wesley Person with 9:23 to play, but Iverson answered with a
jumper. A layup by Earl Watson made it 81-74, but Snow drove
for a hoop and Iverson made a leaning 3-pointer that beat the
shot clock and built the lead to 86-74 with six minutes to go.
Iverson had a streaking reverse layup and fed Snow for a layup
and a 92-80 bulge with 2:56 left.
Snow scored 14 points, McKie added 12 and Keith Van Horn 10 for
the Sixers, who shot 44 percent (35-of-80). Reserve Brian
Skinner had 10 rebounds.
Pau Gasol scored 14 points for the Grizzlies, who shot under 40
percent (33-of-84). They did have 15 blocks.
The Sixers took the lead for good at 26-24 on Skinner's steal
and layup late in the first quarter. Iverson scored six points
in a 13-4 run that widened the advantage to 39-28 with 7:32 left
in the second period.
Philadelphia held a 54-46 halftime lead as Iverson scored 16
points.
