[專頁公告] 有關我對BBC記者向蔡總統提問的貼文,存在一些爭議。或許是我表達的不夠清楚,而此一事件也有其複雜性,因此經大家傳來傳去後,遂造成諸多不必要的誤解與糾紛。於此,對該貼文的疏漏表達歉意的同時,我也想藉這個機會,向大家澄清我的個人觀點,並提供具體的說明。
坦白說,當我第一時間聽到這個問題時,我並不是很高興:
原本文章和影片:http://bit.ly/36QOKNP (請務必閱讀背景資料)
完整影片:https://youtu.be/yKVW475EnA4?t=6421
影片內文:
Thank you very much, and congratulations first, President Tsai, on tonight’s result. A few months ago, you were struggling in the polls. Many people suggest that the turnaround in your fortunes is because of the actions of China. Its threats that you mentioned tonight. Its putting of the aircraft carriers through the Taiwan Strait, the situation in Hong Kong. So my question to you is this: Do you think you have the Chinese president Xi Jinping to thank for this victory.*
非常感謝您,蔡總統,首先祝賀今晚的結果。幾個月前,您在民意調查中苦苦掙扎。許多人認為,您命運的轉變是由於中國的行動。誠如您今晚提到的威脅──航空母艦通過臺灣海峽以及香港的局勢。因此我對您的提問是:您認為您應該向中國國家主席習近平為這次的勝利表示感謝嗎?*
*您認為您的勝利歸因於中國國家主席習近平嗎?
have sb to thank (for sth) 對(某人)感謝
1. to say that you are grateful to someone who is responsible for something good happening. This expression is sometimes used HUMOROUSLY to mean that you are not grateful for what someone has done.
https://www.ldoceonline.com/…/have-somebody-to-thank-for-do…
2. If you have someone to thank for something, that person is responsible or to blame for it. 由(某人)對……負責;應責怪(某人)
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/…/english/have-sb-to-thank…
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我個人認為,此一提問似乎高估了中國對蔡總統勝選──臺灣人民以自由意志所選出的總統──的影響。不可否認,中國對臺灣的行動已與日俱增,但問題的設定似乎過分強調中國這一因素,而輕忽了臺灣人民的努力。這是我的個人觀點。
在長年旅居美國的生活經驗中,隨處都可聽見以雙關作為諷刺性質的幽默(my sarcasm detector is functional)。事實上,從我的回應也不難看出,我認為不恰當的地方乃在於,提問的內容及其所強調者──中國因素:
The people of Taiwan do not have General Secretary Xi Jinping to "thank" for this democratic victory. They have the sacrifices of thousands of democratic reformers and activists around the world to thank for their right to vote and the right to have their voices heard. It is unfortunate that the threats you mentioned are perceived by some as being responsible for tonight's victory.
臺灣的總統並不需要針對此次的民主選舉「感謝」習總書記。總統和全臺灣的人民需要感謝的是全球成千上萬的為了民主而犧牲的改革者,感謝由於他們奮鬥而獲得的投票權與發表自己意見的權利。不幸的是,一些人似乎認為今晚的勝利應歸因於您所提到的這些威脅。
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毫無疑問,有些人並不同意我的回應。但是,若您稍加觀察,便可發現我是圍繞著「have…to thank、 對(某人)感謝」來進行回應,並提出個人觀點。別人用幽默的語氣問我 ,並不代表我不能以字面上的意涵去作正式甚至有一點俏皮的回應。當時,我若在「thank、感謝」周圍加上引號*,唸起來就會有特別的語氣,或許能更加凸顯我充分理解幽默的部分。不幸的是,我並沒有這樣做,致使許多人不理解我的本意。
*https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes
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我之所以撰寫此一貼文,乃為強調我們應該感謝那些為臺灣犧牲奉獻的民主改革者,並向該名記者過於強調中國影響力的問句提出抗議。同時,我也在該篇貼文中附上完整影片的連結,方便讀者理解此一事件的脈絡。我也是純粹當作個人意見發表,而沒有把它變成一篇完整的教學文章。
由於「have sb to thank (for sth)」包含了正面與負面的意涵,而有時也會被幽默地使用。因此幾個小時後(大約凌晨2點),我開始收到一些訊息,告知我並不理解英式幽默。此時我才意識到,自己的貼文不夠明確,使得部分讀者無法理解我為文的重點。在我迅速添加了「have sb to thank (for sth)」的定義後(http://bit.ly/2NnxHv2),便未多想而上床睡覺了。第二天,我下午上班回到家後,卻看到某些針對我貼文所作的評論,認為我不僅對英式幽默缺乏理解,還錯誤地翻譯了該問句。以下,我將對兩種主要的評論作出回應。
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首先,我其實能理解,該名記者嘗試在嚴肅的提問中帶點幽默,但以英文母語者的角度來說,我並不認為他的話「幽默」(至少我個人沒有那種會心一笑的感覺,可能我比較嚴肅)。再者,幽默是非常主觀的,並非所有人都能產生共鳴,尤其是在這麼正式的場合,則更容易造成誤解。對我而言,發言者在正式的場合時,應清楚地意識到,可能會有部分聽眾無法理解自己話語的弦外之音──幽默。畢竟,這是一次全球性的現場直播,真正瞭解英國文化的觀眾,恐怕是少之又少。
即便當時,他是向蔡總統提問而非現場觀眾,但我們都知道(包含該名記者),提問會被口譯員翻成中文,進而讓在場的所有臺灣人聽見。更無消說,蔡總統本就代表全體臺灣人民,向臺灣總統提問,本質上就是向所有的臺灣人民提問。不過,我也相信,該名記者之所以使用此一詞彙,乃為營造幽默的氛圍,並傳達他個人對總統大選與臺海問題的關注,以探求蔡總統對此一議題的洞見。坦率地說,我也沒有資格去干涉專業記者發問的方式,況且他本人的風格本就較為犀利(他揭露了中國無數的人權問題,並進行了諸多報導)。
又我個人認為,無論記者的本意為何,這樣的表達方式並不恰當,尤其是在這麼重要的場合的第一個問題。我由衷地覺得,有評論指出我反應過度,其實是可以理解的。但我個人還是希望,外國記者在正式的國際場合中,能尊重臺灣得來不易的民主,同時也照顧到聽眾的感受。而蔡總統隨即報以微笑,則是展現出她總統的高度與格局。我想,即便蔡總統內心有所想法,也不會在這麼正式的場合中表露出來。因此,微笑絕對是最好的回應。口譯員之所以略過此一問題,很可能是擔心會引發爭議。而影片中,您可以清楚的看到,相鄰的記者於微笑的同時,也搖了搖頭。我想,「幽默」是否適合這種情況,每位觀眾都會有自己的看法。
此處的討論已超出語言的闡釋與翻譯,以及對單詞涵義的理解。我個人認為,那些將我的貼文化約為「不理解英式幽默」的評論,實已淡化了語言的社會、政治與文化脈絡。惟遺憾的是,我當時也未闡明自己的思路,沒有提供足夠的背景資訊。因此,這導致了諸多不必要的困惑。
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其次,我注意到某個粉絲專頁。該專頁在隔天下午發表了一篇文章,內容是關於我如何藉由「要感謝某人(某物)」的字面翻譯,來誤解該名BBC的記者。但這樣片面的說法,似無法詳實的呈現我該篇貼文的本意,也忽略了我所提供的資訊。
have sb to thank (for sth)
1. to say that you are grateful to someone who is responsible for something good happening. This expression is sometimes used HUMOROUSLY to mean that you are not grateful for what someone has done.
對(某人)感謝
I have Phil to thank for getting me my first job.
https://www.ldoceonline.com/…/have-somebody-to-thank-for-do…
2. If you have someone to thank for something, that person is responsible or to blame for it.
由(某人)對……負責;應責怪(某人)
You have John to thank for this problem.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/…/english/have-sb-to-thank…
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該專頁也認為我誤解了「have sb to thank (for sth)」──僅譯出「感謝」的字面義而無提供其餘意涵──此一片語。但事實上,我的貼文裡早已附上相關資訊。
在言談分析(discourse analysis)中,僅「thank you」一詞就有許多不同的解釋方式。言語的闡釋與翻譯,必須考慮到語調、肢體語言以及社會環境。我絕對不是專業的翻譯,但誠如下列連結的內容所顯示,文字媒體大多只會提供直譯──亦即「感謝」,畢竟要以短短的幾行文字來完整表達講者的意圖,並非易事。因此,絕大多數的文字報導(包含我的貼文)也附有新聞發布會的完整影片,以為讀者提供更清晰的背景與脈絡。同時,記者也會有自己的顧慮(受眾),因此文字的使用必須盡可能地言簡意賅,以與讀者產生共鳴。
https://www.setn.com/news.aspx?NewsID=670861
https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/world/breakingnews/3037675
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51077553
https://news.pts.org.tw/article/462512
https://hk.news.appledaily.com/.../article/20200112/60476407
I am not a professional translator by any means, but a literal translation is sometimes provided because it is immensely difficult to get across the full intent of the speaker with a few lines of text. Just the phrase "thank you" could be interpreted in diverse ways in discourse analysis. Interpretation and translation of speech require consideration of stress, body language, and social contexts. If the reporters above provided a connotative translation, the language used would be subjective as it would directly reflect what the translator believes to be the speaker's intentional meaning. Thus, a full video of the press conference was included in nearly every one of the reports to provide readers with additional context. Journalists also have pragmatic concerns (reach, readership), so the language used has to be specific, emphatic, and concise. These reasons might offer some insight into why「道謝」was used instead of a connotative translation.
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事後看來,在我發表評論的當下,以及之後所受到的負面評論時,確實有些激動,被批評也是應該的。我個人認為,該名BBC記者過於凸顯中國影響力的問題,對總統以及臺灣人所珍視的民主制度似乎顯得不甚尊重。而我也相信,此亦即該提問之所以造成諸多爭議的原因。事實上,我一直在編輯貼文,希望盡可能地以更客觀的方式來表達我的觀點。但顯然,此前我未能在第一時間評論中作出詳盡的解釋,為此我深感抱歉,也學到了寶貴的經驗。若我的貼文為您帶來諸多不便,我深表歉意。希望本文足以闡明我對此事的想法,並作出具體的澄清。謝謝。
同時也有1部Youtube影片,追蹤數超過3萬的網紅Eric's English Lounge,也在其Youtube影片中提到,同學期待的政治英文影片第一集總算出爐了! 在此先聲明,我跟Howard老師純粹是分析英文,兩位總統都是神人級的第二語言使用者! 此影片的目的不在於比較兩者的英文能力,而是提供學習者英文口語的實際操作和可以注意的小細節。 以下是影片中提到的一些資訊,請看完再發表評論: 馬英九(1950年7月13日...
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[專頁公告] 有關我對BBC記者向蔡總統提問的貼文,存在一些爭議。或許是我表達的不夠清楚,而此一事件也有其複雜性,因此經大家傳來傳去後,遂造成諸多不必要的誤解與糾紛。於此,對該貼文的疏漏表達歉意的同時,我也想藉這個機會,向大家澄清我的個人觀點,並提供具體的說明。
坦白說,當我第一時間聽到這個問題時,我並不是很高興:
原本文章和影片:http://bit.ly/36QOKNP (請務必閱讀背景資料)
完整影片:https://youtu.be/yKVW475EnA4?t=6421
影片內文:
Thank you very much, and congratulations first, President Tsai, on tonight’s result. A few months ago, you were struggling in the polls. Many people suggest that the turnaround in your fortunes is because of the actions of China. Its threats that you mentioned tonight. Its putting of the aircraft carriers through the Taiwan Strait, the situation in Hong Kong. So my question to you is this: Do you think you have the Chinese president Xi Jinping to thank for this victory.*
非常感謝您,蔡總統,首先祝賀今晚的結果。幾個月前,您在民意調查中苦苦掙扎。許多人認為,您命運的轉變是由於中國的行動。誠如您今晚提到的威脅──航空母艦通過臺灣海峽以及香港的局勢。因此我對您的提問是:您認為您應該向中國國家主席習近平為這次的勝利表示感謝嗎?*
*您認為您的勝利歸因於中國國家主席習近平嗎?
have sb to thank (for sth) 對(某人)感謝
1. to say that you are grateful to someone who is responsible for something good happening. This expression is sometimes used HUMOROUSLY to mean that you are not grateful for what someone has done.
https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/have-somebody-to-thank-for-doing-something
2. If you have someone to thank for something, that person is responsible or to blame for it. 由(某人)對……負責;應責怪(某人)
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/have-sb-to-thank-for-sth
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我個人認為,此一提問似乎高估了中國對蔡總統勝選──臺灣人民以自由意志所選出的總統──的影響。不可否認,中國對臺灣的行動已與日俱增,但問題的設定似乎過分強調中國這一因素,而輕忽了臺灣人民的努力。這是我的個人觀點。
在長年旅居美國的生活經驗中,隨處都可聽見以雙關作為諷刺性質的幽默(my sarcasm detector is functional)。事實上,從我的回應也不難看出,我認為不恰當的地方乃在於,提問的內容及其所強調者──中國因素:
The people of Taiwan do not have General Secretary Xi Jinping to "thank" for this democratic victory. They have the sacrifices of thousands of democratic reformers and activists around the world to thank for their right to vote and the right to have their voices heard. It is unfortunate that the threats you mentioned are perceived by some as being responsible for tonight's victory.
臺灣的總統並不需要針對此次的民主選舉「感謝」習總書記。總統和全臺灣的人民需要感謝的是全球成千上萬的為了民主而犧牲的改革者,感謝由於他們奮鬥而獲得的投票權與發表自己意見的權利。不幸的是,一些人似乎認為今晚的勝利應歸因於您所提到的這些威脅。
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毫無疑問,有些人並不同意我的回應。但是,若您稍加觀察,便可發現我是圍繞著「have…to thank、 對(某人)感謝」來進行回應,並提出個人觀點。別人用幽默的語氣問我 ,並不代表我不能以字面上的意涵去作正式甚至有一點俏皮的回應。當時,我若在「thank、感謝」周圍加上引號*,唸起來就會有特別的語氣,或許能更加凸顯我充分理解幽默的部分。不幸的是,我並沒有這樣做,致使許多人不理解我的本意。
*https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes
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我之所以撰寫此一貼文,乃為強調我們應該感謝那些為臺灣犧牲奉獻的民主改革者,並向該名記者過於強調中國影響力的問句提出抗議。同時,我也在該篇貼文中附上完整影片的連結,方便讀者理解此一事件的脈絡。我也是純粹當作個人意見發表,而沒有把它變成一篇完整的教學文章。
由於「have sb to thank (for sth)」包含了正面與負面的意涵,而有時也會被幽默地使用。因此幾個小時後(大約凌晨2點),我開始收到一些訊息,告知我並不理解英式幽默。此時我才意識到,自己的貼文不夠明確,使得部分讀者無法理解我為文的重點。在我迅速添加了「have sb to thank (for sth)」的定義後(http://bit.ly/2NnxHv2),便未多想而上床睡覺了。第二天,我下午上班回到家後,卻看到某些針對我貼文所作的評論,認為我不僅對英式幽默缺乏理解,還錯誤地翻譯了該問句。以下,我將對兩種主要的評論作出回應。
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首先,我其實能理解,該名記者嘗試在嚴肅的提問中帶點幽默,但以英文母語者的角度來說,我並不認為他的話「幽默」(至少我個人沒有那種會心一笑的感覺,可能我比較嚴肅)。再者,幽默是非常主觀的,並非所有人都能產生共鳴,尤其是在這麼正式的場合,則更容易造成誤解。對我而言,發言者在正式的場合時,應清楚地意識到,可能會有部分聽眾無法理解自己話語的弦外之音──幽默。畢竟,這是一次全球性的現場直播,真正瞭解英國文化的觀眾,恐怕是少之又少。
即便當時,他是向蔡總統提問而非現場觀眾,但我們都知道(包含該名記者),提問會被口譯員翻成中文,進而讓在場的所有臺灣人聽見。更無消說,蔡總統本就代表全體臺灣人民,向臺灣總統提問,本質上就是向所有的臺灣人民提問。不過,我也相信,該名記者之所以使用此一詞彙,乃為營造幽默的氛圍,並傳達他個人對總統大選與臺海問題的關注,以探求蔡總統對此一議題的洞見。坦率地說,我也沒有資格去干涉專業記者發問的方式,況且他本人的風格本就較為犀利(他揭露了中國無數的人權問題,並進行了諸多報導)。
又我個人認為,無論記者的本意為何,這樣的表達方式並不恰當,尤其是在這麼重要的場合的第一個問題。我由衷地覺得,有評論指出我反應過度,其實是可以理解的。但我個人還是希望,外國記者在正式的國際場合中,能尊重臺灣得來不易的民主,同時也照顧到聽眾的感受。而蔡總統隨即報以微笑,則是展現出她總統的高度與格局。我想,即便蔡總統內心有所想法,也不會在這麼正式的場合中表露出來。因此,微笑絕對是最好的回應。口譯員之所以略過此一問題,很可能是擔心會引發爭議。而影片中,您可以清楚的看到,相鄰的記者於微笑的同時,也搖了搖頭。我想,「幽默」是否適合這種情況,每位觀眾都會有自己的看法。
此處的討論已超出語言的闡釋與翻譯,以及對單詞涵義的理解。我個人認為,那些將我的貼文化約為「不理解英式幽默」的評論,實已淡化了語言的社會、政治與文化脈絡。惟遺憾的是,我當時也未闡明自己的思路,沒有提供足夠的背景資訊。因此,這導致了諸多不必要的困惑。
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其次,我注意到某個粉絲專頁。該專頁在隔天下午發表了一篇文章,內容是關於我如何藉由「要感謝某人(某物)」的字面翻譯,來誤解該名BBC的記者。但這樣片面的說法,似無法詳實的呈現我該篇貼文的本意,也忽略了我所提供的資訊。
have sb to thank (for sth)
1. to say that you are grateful to someone who is responsible for something good happening. This expression is sometimes used HUMOROUSLY to mean that you are not grateful for what someone has done.
對(某人)感謝
I have Phil to thank for getting me my first job.
https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/have-somebody-to-thank-for-doing-something
2. If you have someone to thank for something, that person is responsible or to blame for it.
由(某人)對……負責;應責怪(某人)
You have John to thank for this problem.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/have-sb-to-thank-for-sth
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該專頁也認為我誤解了「have sb to thank (for sth)」──僅譯出「感謝」的字面義而無提供其餘意涵──此一片語。但事實上,我的貼文裡早已附上相關資訊。
在言談分析(discourse analysis)中,僅「thank you」一詞就有許多不同的解釋方式。言語的闡釋與翻譯,必須考慮到語調、肢體語言以及社會環境。我絕對不是專業的翻譯,但誠如下列連結的內容所顯示,文字媒體大多只會提供直譯──亦即「感謝」,畢竟要以短短的幾行文字來完整表達講者的意圖,並非易事。因此,絕大多數的文字報導(包含我的貼文)也附有新聞發布會的完整影片,以為讀者提供更清晰的背景與脈絡。同時,記者也會有自己的顧慮(受眾),因此文字的使用必須盡可能地言簡意賅,以與讀者產生共鳴。
https://www.setn.com/news.aspx?NewsID=670861
https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/world/breakingnews/3037675
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51077553
https://news.pts.org.tw/article/462512
https://hk.news.appledaily.com/.../article/20200112/60476407
I am not a professional translator by any means, but a literal translation is sometimes provided because it is immensely difficult to get across the full intent of the speaker with a few lines of text. Just the phrase "thank you" could be interpreted in diverse ways in discourse analysis. Interpretation and translation of speech require consideration of stress, body language, and social contexts. If the reporters above provided a connotative translation, the language used would be subjective as it would directly reflect what the translator believes to be the speaker's intentional meaning. Thus, a full video of the press conference was included in nearly every one of the reports to provide readers with additional context. Journalists also have pragmatic concerns (reach, readership), so the language used has to be specific, emphatic, and concise. These reasons might offer some insight into why「道謝」was used instead of a connotative translation.
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事後看來,在我發表評論的當下,以及之後所受到的負面評論時,確實有些激動,被批評也是應該的。我個人認為,該名BBC記者過於凸顯中國影響力的問題,對總統以及臺灣人所珍視的民主制度似乎顯得不甚尊重。而我也相信,此亦即該提問之所以造成諸多爭議的原因。事實上,我一直在編輯貼文,希望盡可能地以更客觀的方式來表達我的觀點。但顯然,此前我未能在第一時間評論中作出詳盡的解釋,為此我深感抱歉,也學到了寶貴的經驗。若我的貼文為您帶來諸多不便,我深表歉意。希望本文足以闡明我對此事的想法,並作出具體的澄清。謝謝。
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[時事新聞] 總統國際記者會: BBC記者的提問
關於此議題的專頁公告: http://bit.ly/383sBfd
剛剛在聽總統國際記者會時,對於一位BBC記者的問題感到驚訝:
Thank you very much, and congratulations first, President Tsai, on tonight’s result. A few months ago, you were struggling in the polls. Many people suggest that the turnaround in your fortunes is because of the actions of China. Its threats that you mentioned tonight. Its putting of the aircraft carriers through the Taiwan Strait, the situation in Hong Kong. So my question to you is this: Do you think you have the Chinese president Xi Jinping to thank for this victory.*
非常感謝您,蔡總統,首先祝賀今晚的結果。幾個月前,您在民意調查中苦苦掙扎。許多人認為,您的命運的轉變是由於中國的行動。您今晚提到的威脅—航空母艦開向台灣海峽和香港的局勢。所以我對您的問題是:您認為您應該向中國國家主席習近平為這次勝利表示感謝嗎?*
*您認為您的勝利歸因於中國國家主席習近平嗎?
have sb to thank (for sth)
1. to say that you are grateful to someone who is responsible for something good happening. This expression is sometimes used HUMOROUSLY to mean that you are not grateful for what someone has done.
對(某人)感謝
I have Phil to thank for getting me my first job.
https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/have-somebody-to-thank-for-doing-something
2. If you have someone to thank for something, that person is responsible or to blame for it.
由(某人)對…負責;應責怪(某人)
You have John to thank for this problem.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/have-sb-to-thank-for-sth
EDIT: 我個人認為,此一題問似乎高估了中國對蔡總統勝選──臺灣人民以自由意志所選出的總統──的影響。不可否認,中國對臺灣的行動已與日俱增,但問題的設定似乎過分強調中國這一因素,而輕忽了臺灣人民的努力。大約40秒的問句只要加一句 "The people of Taiwan have won a great democratic victory tonight" 我就認為完全妥當。這是我的個人觀點。
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…I am not qualified to answer this question for the President, but I would like to express my opinion.
…我沒有資格代表總統回答這個問題,但我想表達對這個問題的看法。
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The people of Taiwan do not have General Secretary Xi Jinping to "thank" for this democratic victory. They have the sacrifices of thousands of democratic reformers and activists around the world to thank for their right to vote and the right to have their voices heard. It is unfortunate that the threats you mentioned are perceived by some as being responsible for tonight's victory.
臺灣的總統並不需要針對此次的民主選舉「感謝」習總書記。總統和全臺灣的人民需要感謝的是全球成千上萬的為了民主而犧牲的改革者,感謝由於他們奮鬥而獲得的投票權與發表自己意見的權利。不幸的是,一些人似乎認為今晚的勝利應歸功於您所提到的這些威脅。
毫無疑問,有些人並不同意我的回應。但是,若您稍加觀察,便可發現我是圍繞著「have…to thank、 對(某人)感謝」來進行回應,並提出個人觀點。在「thank、感謝」周圍加上引號,唸起來就會有特別的語氣,或許能更加凸顯充分理解幽默的部分。 別人用幽默的語氣問我,並不代表我不能以字面上的意涵去作正式的回應,畢竟這是正式的場合。
在長年旅居美國的生活經驗中,隨處都可聽見以雙關作為諷刺性質的幽默(my sarcasm detector is functional)。事實上,從我的回應也不難看出,我認為不恰當的地方乃在於,提問的內容及其所強調者──中國因素。
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完整影片: https://youtu.be/yKVW475EnA4?t=6421
完整報導: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51077553
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補充說明 1:
在當場大家都認識這位記者,因為直接稱呼他的名字,總統也對他的評語微笑。但是明顯這種發問的方式造成困擾,不然今天不會那麼多人有共鳴討論此事件。在同時也可以看到旁邊的外媒微笑搖頭,翻譯也高EQ地直接跳過這一句,因此這樣的幽默在這樣正式的場合並不是那麼恰當。
From the video, it's clear that the President and her staff know Mr. Sudworth on a first name basis. The interpreter most likely skipped the question to avoid controversy, and you can see an adjacent reporter shaking his head while smiling. Whether "humor" was appropriate for such a context is for you to decide.
在國際場合英文的使用不限制於一個區域的觀眾,並且這個「英式幽默的」問題並非只是一個無傷大雅朋友之間的玩笑,而是在測探回答者的智慧。個人覺得翻譯和總統的回應都非常專業,只是覺得發問者的問題格外犀利但或許這就是他的本意吧。
This discussion here extends beyond just language interpretation/translation and understanding word denotation and connotation. To dismiss criticisms as "not understanding humor" is simply ignoring the social, political, and cultural contexts in which language is used. The question was specifically framed to highlight China's influence and prod President Tsai for more insight. I personally find it to be caustic and not entirely suited for the topic: the democratic victory of the Taiwanese people. I regret not including this and more background information in the original post.
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補充說明2:
英國《BBC》的記者提問蔡英文,拿下歷史最高票「會不會和習近平說聲謝謝」,蔡英文瞬間笑了,但女翻譯愣2秒的反應卻成為焦點。
https://www.setn.com/news.aspx?NewsID=670861
《BBC》記者表示,蔡英文的勝選帶有政治諷刺意味。如果中國共產黨沒有對台灣施壓、對香港危機的態度難以捉摸,台灣候選人的勝利之路可能就不會那麼確定。「結果宣布後,我問蔡英文,她是否有為她的勝利感謝中國國家主席習近平。她笑了。」
https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/world/breakingnews/3037675
After the result was announced I asked Tsai Ing-wen whether she had the Chinese President Xi Jinping to thank for her victory.
She smiled.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51077553
英國廣播公司BBC特派記者約翰薩沃斯,在11日的記者會第一個獲得發問機會,特別問到蔡英文會不會感謝習近平,蔡英文沒有正面回答,只以微笑來回應。德國之聲DW台北特派記者江穎怡也報導,「很多台灣人認為(中國鎮壓)香港證明了一國兩制的失敗。」
https://news.pts.org.tw/article/462512
不過,現場卻發生一段小插曲。一直關心中國民主人權問題的BBC記者沙磊(John Sudworth),是記者會上首名提問的記者。他先是恭喜蔡英文當選,之後提到,幾個月前蔡的民調仍然不穩,但中共對台的威脅加上香港反送中運動,是外界認為本次大選獲勝原因,他詢問蔡英文:「你會不會為了這次勝利,向習近平道謝?」
https://hk.news.appledaily.com/china/realtime/article/20200112/60476407
Some claim that the literal translation of 「道謝」by the press was improper. I am not a professional translator by any means, but a literal translation might be provided because it is immensely difficult to get across the full intent of the speaker with a few lines of text. Just the phrase "thank you" could be interpreted in diverse ways in discourse analysis. Interpretation and translation of speech require consideration of stress, body language, and social contexts. If the reporters above provided a connotative translation, the language used would be subjective as it would directly reflect what the translator believes to be the speaker's intentional meaning. Thus, a full video of the press conference was included in nearly every one of the reports to provide readers with additional context. Journalists also have pragmatic concerns (reach, readership), so the language used has to be specific, emphatic, and concise. These reasons might offer some insight on why「道謝」was used instead of a connotative translation.
concise meaning 在 Eric's English Lounge Youtube 的最佳貼文
同學期待的政治英文影片第一集總算出爐了! 在此先聲明,我跟Howard老師純粹是分析英文,兩位總統都是神人級的第二語言使用者! 此影片的目的不在於比較兩者的英文能力,而是提供學習者英文口語的實際操作和可以注意的小細節。 以下是影片中提到的一些資訊,請看完再發表評論:
馬英九(1950年7月13日-),中華民國政治人物,曾任中華民國第12、13任總統、國民黨主席等職。畢業於國立台灣大學法律學系,其後前往美國深造,獲紐約大學法學碩士學位,哈佛大學司法學博士學位。曾經擔任蔣經國總統的英文翻譯。
影片: https://youtu.be/lRACKQkgFqc?t=32
Former President of Taiwan Ma Ying-jeou, in conversation with Jerome A. Cohen, discusses student exchanges between Germany and France.
●沒有看稿子
●非常有經驗的講者
●發音大致上標準 (Prussia 普魯士, herald, tribune, presidency)
●good use of stress (enhancements)
●流暢度有練過特別停頓來思考
●提連貫性跟內容組織的部分
●會以故事的方式去切入重點
用的評分系統: https://www.ielts.org/-/media/pdfs/sp...
●wide range and skillful use of vocabulary: are aware of, feel uneasy, visionary leaders, engage in a massive student exchange, worked miracles, became cornerstones
●mistakes: skip school, quit school, tense--become cornerstone
●short, concise sentences suited for clear public speaking
●lexically dense sentences
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蔡英文(1956年8月31日-)是中華民國(臺灣)的政治人物、法律學者、律師,為現任中華民國總統,原擔任民主進步黨主席。她先後獲得國立臺灣大學法律學系法學士、康奈爾法學院法學碩士、及倫敦政治經濟學院法學博士,曾任教於國立政治大學法學院和東吳大學法學院。
影片: https://youtu.be/5ygpAnK02uk?t=55
President Tsai Ing-wen in Harvard giving advice to students on policy challenges, choices, and leadership in the next decade
●沒有看稿子
●英式發音* (taught, good), 非常清楚
*其實很多英國人不喜歡英式口音這個標籤,英國人覺得他們自己講的才是真正標準的英文,是美國人才有口音
而且現在的英國(聯合王國)也是四個國家組成的,每個區域的發音都有一些區別。
用的評分系統: https://www.ielts.org/-/media/pdfs/sp...
●用詞豐富: rebellious, challenge your teachers and contemporaries, make yourself suited for changes, sharing values, expediting
●流暢度, 有些停頓, 但是思考內容的停頓絕對是自然的!
●文法沒有任何的錯誤 (a rebellious one, meaning...分詞構句, everything that is taught 形容詞子句, what is true today...名詞子句)
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對我而言,英文是一種工具,不覺得每一個政治人物都需要英文,有專業和可靠的翻譯輔助,就足夠了。
媒體報導: https://wp.me/p44l9b-1G4
在此提供我的「心智圖詞彙攻略」課程: https://bit.ly/2teELDq
也獻上Howard老師會走路的翻譯機,《會走路的翻譯機,神級英文學習攻略本》 http://bit.ly/2DfGrhH
最後要感謝炙瞳夢 RED FILM幾位大導演的友情協助,幫我們拍出一級棒的影片!
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